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ADHD and Trying to Conceive with Taucha Post


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I talk with yoga and mindfulness instructor Taucha Post about managing ADHD and trying to conceive. Taucha is a certified yoga teacher and a registered speech therapist who has been practicing yoga for 15 years.

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Sarah
Cuz I just know if I leave it up to me one of these days. I'm not going to turn record on it.

Oh, yeah, that happened to me a lot with that, like when I first started teaching yoga online, cuz that was the thing that kind of, you know, happened through COVID. And so it was like a learning curve because I'm especially I'm also like, not tech savvy, like in the littlest bit. And there were so many recordings that I just missed out because like, I talked the whole thing without my microphone on. So like, when I started recording, it was just me going.

And then also like, or I forgot to record the whole thing, and my microphone was fine, or what you know, or I forgot to turn on my lighting like there were so I had to keep like to do lists on my desk, or Alexa would go off in the middle of class because I forgot to unplug her so many ways that could go wrong. So I get that. I totally get that.

Sarah
Yeah, this is all ringing very true for me as well. I mean, I've been doing this. I'm gonna say consistently, since last October. I've been doing it on and off over the years, but it's always something like when you get into production, it's like, oh, my gosh, okay. Yeah, there's a random one time we had random clicking, and I could have sworn it was from my laptop. And I was going to all the rooms and it was still clicking. Ah, and ended up being the guests. on her side. Was

that calicoes? By Yes, yes. I remember asking

Sarah
that. I don't even know. And she said, she didn't hear it. So I just assumed it was on my side. And I thought, oh, going insane. And until my production person, I have a sound editor. And she told me about the clicks. And I said, I knew that were clicks. And she said, it wasn't on my audio. It was on her audio. So it was

I yeah, I noticed that when I was listening to it. I'm like, I'm like super sensitive to sound. Yeah. So like, oh, even yesterday, last night, I was trying to fall asleep. And there was like this really high pitched buzzing, that I'm sure if my husband could was awake would never hear. And I was like, I have no idea where it was where to find it. Nothing. Yeah, so I remember that from calicoes episode. I was like, I bet this is driving someone crazy. It

Sarah
was driving me crazy. And I knew I just knew I was going to get like an email from somebody because I knew it would drive my listeners crazy. But she said, I don't hear it. And I think it's fine. You know,

I just went along with it. She said it was fine.

Peer pressure.

Peer pressure.

Sarah
I wanted it to be true. I was like, Yeah, you're right. It's not a big deal. Let's just keep going. Okay, yeah, totally.

Did you get any emails from anybody about it?

Sarah
I did not. But sometimes I'll get someone who has listened to the older episodes. And there was a lot of like, learning curve stuff. Oh, yeah, totally. And they'll be like,

Is there anything you can do about your audio? Yeah. Like, yeah, I have a new mic. Now. I'm on my like, third mic. I'm

Sarah
actually gonna move it closer to me. My other mic crapped out on me for no reason. And I can figure out why. So I have another one.

They're built that way. They were built that way to crap out so that you would buy another one. That's why that's basically it. We have the technology to make things last we just choose not to.

Sarah
I think you're spot on. Because I mean, it literally just sits at my desk. It doesn't go anywhere. So yeah, I think you're right. I just use it too many times. And it's like, oh, time for her to buy a new one. Yep,

totally. I think that's it. That's what that planned obsolescence or something. It's like an actual term.

Sarah
Yeah. Yeah. That's why all our computers die in a year or two. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. Thank you so much for being on the show. I guess I'll jump into it. Oh, I

guess I have a question. Yes, please. Um, like, if there do you do like copy and pasting, editing or like, because, like, for example, if I've like really messed up something? Yes. Um, do I have to keep Okay, I don't have to keep fumbling through and trying to fix it. I can just be like, Can we start again? Yes,

Sarah
absolutely. I have a sound editor. Her name is Helen. You could even talk to her because she'll hear everything. It's like now. I'm starting over Helen Helen x that some people thought Helen wasn't a real person. I was like, No, she's a real person. She's

personality in your head.

Sarah
Pretend person. blow my nose real quick. Oh yeah, go for it. I'm gonna meet Okay, I'm back. And then, yeah, when we're done with the interview, if there's anything like, you know, I really wish we hadn't gone there. Can we just leave that out? I'm totally cool with that kind of stuff. So don't hesitate. We're recording, okay. This is the adulting with ADHD podcast, self empowerment for people with ADHD. Si, si, we're gonna cut the beginning because I already have the beginning pre recorded. But I always say that just to get us into the flow. Yeah. Today, I'm very excited to have with me, Tasha, post, She is the founder of ADHD yoga. And she's a fantastic woman with ADHD. She's going to tell us a little bit about her journey and what's been working for her these days. I'm so excited to have you welcome Tasha.

I thanks so much for having me. I'm excited to be here.

Sarah
Yeah, yoga is one of my favorite things. My dad was super into it. And so I kind of grew up around it, even though I don't practice it every day. But I was so excited when you reached out because I think Yoga has so much to offer, which you're going to tell us about. So first, let's start with what is your diagnosis story? Tell us a little bit about that.

Yeah, sure. I was diagnosed about three and a half years ago, I was 31 years old at the time. It kind of like stemmed from just as a kid just always feeling a little bit different, like always feeling like Easy, easy. airco easy. Things were hard for me, I always had to work harder than my classmates to do like not even as well as them. When I was young. I'm just always like having just always feeling like things were really tough. Eventually, in high school, I started doing really well because I just wanted to be a veterinarian, and I knew to do that I needed good grades. So I pretty much just dropped every other part of my life to to do well in school. But at the cost of like a social life and like mental health and all that kind of stuff. Like on paper, I looked great. But underneath I was I was not doing good. went to university and all that kind of stuff. changed my mind about veterinary school, but went for grad school. And you know, the struggles all kind of followed me there. But my grades were good enough to get into a good school and a very good program. And eventually I became a speech therapist. So I have a master's in speech therapy. I practice for about seven and a bit years and still registered, but I'm not currently practicing. But while I was at that job, I had had a lot of autonomy at that job, a lot of independence. And it was very, it was a very specialized job, I worked with adults who were nonverbal who needed alternative forms of communication. So basically any diagnosis where an adult was no longer capable of verbally communicating. So Down syndrome, autism, severe strokes, tumors, brain injuries, ALS, degenerative conditions, Parkinson's, like, a whole whole bunch of different things. So that and I made them communication systems, kind of like low tech and high tech, alternative communication systems like Stephen Hawking used that was. Yeah, so yeah, it was really cool. It was a cool, cool job. But the thing is, is when I was in school, basically like my school schedule, and my syllabi were like, my frontal lobes, right? They told me like where I needed to be. And when I was kind of like, I was really like, motivated by like, like, affirmation, get an output and like, you know, like scholarships, good grades, and like that kind of thing. Like really got me going. So when you get a job, you don't have that kind of feedback anymore, right? And you don't have that kind of structure. Nobody sits you down, gives you a schedule for your next four months and says, This is due here and here. And here. And here. Like at my job, that was already a pretty tough job. It also had a whole lot of autonomy, which on the one hand, I really loved because I don't like like a lot of ADHD or I don't like being told what to do. Oh, yeah. But on the other hand, I had to like make my own decisions and do my own planning and doing my own organizing and all that kind of stuff.

Yeah, decision making, especially Oh,

yeah, yeah, it was really tough. So um, so when I first started at that job, I thought that all my difficulties more stemmed from just being a new clinician, like I'm just new, I'll I'll get the hang of it. And after like my first two years or so like this will be no problem. But then after a couple years, I all of the clinical stuff like seeing my clients and coming up with recommendations and doing assessment and treatment, all that stuff became easier but like the all of the all of the admin stuff behind it, like writing my notes, making referrals, following up on emails, making appointments, like getting to appointments on time, like none of that got easier at all. And I had a colleague, and he was Sarah, she worked in teams, so she was a speech therapy assistant. And she worked there long before I did. And, and so she worked with other speech therapists before she worked with me. So she got to see how other speech therapist did that job. And so she would make kind and gentle comments about how different I do things

Sarah
different

just like you do not so interesting, and like, like, how I take notes was very odd, because we sat, we're at all of most of the appointments together, and she'd watch me take notes at appointments. And sometimes I'd start a sentence like in the middle of the sentence, and form the sentence around it. Or I wouldn't be able to, I wasn't able to summarize my notes very well, or appointments and because my working memory is so bad. Yeah. Pretty much all my notes, session notes. At the end of the appointment were like half sentences. By the end, I'm like, What the hell even happened here.

It's really hard. And then also, like writing, like writing my session notes on time and all that kind of stuff. And because I had to tell her like what she needed to make, I had to like manage her as well, like for this appointment, I need you to get this done by this time. And I often would forget or leave decision making about what to make to the last minute not give her enough time to make them and that kind of stuff. Yeah, well, obviously super bad about but also didn't know how to handle it. So anyway, um, that was all like a big mystery to me. I was always like, late and having a hard time and all this stuff. And she made a few comments. And then like, one day on my way to work, there was an episode on we have a Canadian Broadcasting System, CBC, and they Yeah, if you're listening to CBC

Sarah
I have tunneled into their show. Don't tell anybody. I watched working moms. I'm obsessed with working moms and dads good show. And we only get we're a year behind in America and the US on the Netflix. But when when you guys get a new season I tunnel en Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Good stuff.

But yeah, totally. So I was listening to it on the radio. And they have a show called the current band that always played when I was late for work. That was always like the sign that I knew I was late, like Taylor. So I was listening to that. And it happened to be an episode on ADHD and girls and women. Yes. And I, I was listening to it as I was driving. And there was a woman there interviewing who is like a Nobel Prize winning journalist who was there who was diagnosed when she was like, 48, when her son was getting diagnosed, as it happens to a lot of women and, and then she was describing what it was like, and how it presented in her work. And I was like, Oh, my God, this is me. Like all of that past suspicion of being like I feel different, like that finally, like made sense in the context of what she was describing. Yeah. So on the one hand, I was like, holy crap, I think I need to look into this. But then on the other hand, I was like, you're just looking for excuses. Like you're just looking for a reason.

Sarah
Yeah. And I kind of grew up with those voices, too, whether it be society or certain members, I'm sure you had this internal dialogue like Oh, yeah, yeah, it was.

It was a very, very strong very mean internal dialogue. And I've been, I was always hard on myself from a very, very young age. And then I was also I'm a December baby, like just even, like at the very very end of December, so most of their young so any challenges I did have were either attributed to one of those things It was either because I was just a runt and I'm younger than everyone else and I'm just catching up or because I'm so hard on myself and I just need to be just need to ease up so those were the two things that kind of always made me make sense of everything and then and then because my grades were so bad for so long, I was convinced once I switched from doing like poor in school to really good in school when I gave everything else up. The only way I could make sense of that transition and looking good on paper is that I was a stupid person who worked really hard like yes,

I that was that was identified that way too. Yeah, yes,

totally. And like I actually like said that out loud to people Yeah, yeah, I know it does now when I think about it, too, but like because like people I was really good at biology and chemistry. I got like the biology ward in high school. Yeah, award and but people come up to me or like asked me to help them with studying and with labs and stuff like them. They're like, you're so smart. How do you do so? Well, in biology? I'm like, I'm just a stupid person who works hard. Like I that was like my literal response. But you make me cringe actually so sad. But um, but yeah, anyway. So that voice that voice has always been there was telling me you know, like, you're just looking for an excuse, like, right on something that that Fit and you don't want to be the flawed person you're scared you are and you don't want to admit that you're the flawed person. So you're looking for a scapegoat. So it was just kind of like in the back of my mind that I kind of like brushed it off, but it would keep bubbling up. And then the next day, on my way didn't an appointment. I was in the elevator and my colleague, Sarah, yes. been on my leg. been watching me carefully.

She was

exactly

her and I run the elevator on the way to an appointment. And she was like, hey, um, did you listen to the current yesterday? What?

Yeah, that's awesome.

The best way?

I know. Yes. It's like that sounded a lot like you.

Oh,

Sarah
bless her heart.

I know, right? I know.

Sarah
She was on a good way of like, telling you or introducing the idea to you without being insensitive at sound. Yeah,

totally. Totally. I mean, she was a bridesmaid at my wedding. Like. That was early days, though, actually, like that was early on when her and I were working. And we worked together for almost seven years. And yeah, a long time. Yeah. And we work very closely together. So yeah, so after that, I was like, Okay, this is actually something I need to take seriously, because I'm not the only one noticing this now. And this isn't just in my head. And this isn't just me looking for excuses. And it got to a point where at work, I was just really doing bad, just like all of the guilt and all of the pressure and all the things that were piling up and building up and all of like, just trying to keep the impression and appearance of having everything under control was just

pressure. Yeah,

yeah, it was a lot and I just kept feeling like every day was the day I was going to get found out.

Sarah
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, sure. fuels. To me, I think pressure fuels, the symptoms. So whatever you're struggling with, it's getting worse with the pressure.

Totally, totally. Because that takes up space in your frontal lobes that takes up activation in your frontal lobes, which as an ADHD are is also is already not working super great. So then to overload it with all that worry, and stress and all that other stuff. I mean, right. All those ADHD symptoms are going to get worse. Um, yeah, so I yeah, so I, but you know, like getting diagnosed is not an easy process. And I feel I feel like that's like such a joke. And such an irony and ADHD is just that. I feel like so much part so much treatment for ADHD is like so ironic and hilarious.

scription processes redonkulous. Like, yeah,

let's just

Sarah
cover the worst system for people who think like us.

Totally. Because like, I can't get it refilled over the phone, I have to make an in person appointment all the time. And when I start, we're going on a tangent, but here we go. Sounds like, Okay. I moved last summer across the province, or sorry, across across the country. I moved from Vancouver, BC to like Ottawa, Ontario, and Canada. The big, big move, and I didn't get a doctor right away. And we kind of have a shortage of doctors. And so I was med free for a long time. And I knew that this would happen. Yeah, I suspected this could happen because I knew doctors were hard to find. So I refilled my prescription in BC and got like the maximum amount I could before I moved. And then instead of taking my full dosage, I was like rationing it so instead of taking like my morning and my afternoon dosage, I just took my morning dosage just to buy me some time and I still ran out of time. But I couldn't go to a walk in clinic I couldn't go to the hospital or emergency like I had to get a doctor. It was such a pain and the waitlist here is to get a family doctor was three years. Whoo. Yeah, I eventually. Yeah, I eventually like my my aunt in law's a nurse and she found me a doctor, a previous colleague, but anyway, that was not easy. So yeah, so much. so ironic. So then I'm getting the diagnosis. I mean, it's a lot of money, too, to to get that assessment, it can be between like 17 120 $300. So I was like, do I really want to do that when that may not even be the answer. I might find out I don't have this and that I am in fact just stupid and lazy. And, or what if I do get the diagnosis, but because I've never been consistent on anything else before what am I really going to do to change? You know,

yeah,

what if I fail at treating myself?

Sarah
Yeah. Very real concerns I had as well was okay. What if I do have it? Who? How am I you know, how am I going to improve it? How am I going?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, like, Am I really gonna take all the steps history? Like tells me I'm not gonna write what's the point And then also, what was the other? Oh, and also thinking like, I don't think I have it as bad as some people do. Maybe I'm in the clear. I mean, I have a good career. I did well in school. I wasn't really that bad. Yeah, I'm really bad. Totally. So a lot of that

Sarah
you bring up medications, which is a really good segue into something else I wanted to ask you about, which was, you had mentioned you're trying to conceive and that you were going going to be going off the medication in anticipation for that. So I assume that you did find medicine that was working for you. Because I mean, the fact that you were trying to coordinate your, with your medicine, I assume that medicine was really doing a lot for you.

It really was, yeah,

Sarah
yeah. So tell me a little bit about that. Like, when you came to that decision? How did you feel about the thought of going off these meds after learning how well they worked for you?

Yeah, it scared me a lot. Um, the thing that's really tricky about like, wanting to have like, pregnancy and, and medications with ADHD is that like, they don't actually know anything about it. Like, they don't know anything about it. Like when I told my doctor and had an appointment, and like, told them, I'm planning on having a baby this year, and I'm on these medications. And I don't know, if they're safe, they had to call me back three times to ask like different professionals, like, yes, what to do. And at the end, they're like, we really don't know, because the only research that they had that was related to my medications were on mothers who were on meth when they were pregnant, which is not the same thing. There were all kinds of other factors coming into play in a situation like that. Yeah. Um, so really, the the choice was just up to me, because there's, there's research, there's research to suggest that there could be problems with my kid's heart. But again, that's more based on death than anything else. Yes, there could. But also, there's research to suggest that a mom who's feeling imbalanced and really scattered and incredibly stressed can also cause health problems. You're the baby. So basically, basically, it was up to me to weigh the risks. Yeah. Um, but when I was first diagnosed with ADHD, so when I finally got diagnosed, I there was like a pilot project in Vancouver that was free. That was just I couldn't it was only one in Canada. So I got my diagnosis that way. And it was kind of skipped

Sarah
over that. So I thought we did. Yeah, you got your diagnosis. And now I got my diagnosis. Yes,

I got it eventually. Because there was a clinic compilot clinic that opened up just that happened to be where I lived. I mean, I probably still be undiagnosed. That is.

Sarah
Yeah, right.

Yeah. But so I got my diagnosis. And I knew, like, after doing all my reading and everything like that, about ADHD, you know, it's got its, there's a lot of heredity. You know, there's a big hereditary component. So my kids, I knew, like, I've always wanted to be like, I always knew I'd be a parent and I. And so now knowing, like throwing that into the mix, I was like, Well, my kids are likely going to have it. I'm not coping well. So I can't imagine throwing a kid into the mix. And, and doing okay, and then also being a good model for my kid to help them with their ADHD. Yep. Um, so knowing I was gonna be a parent was actually one of the biggest motivators for me to actually take treatment. Seriously, same. Oh, yeah.

Sarah
100% same. Yeah, totally. Yeah,

yeah. I knew cuz I knew meds, you know, and meds are really they're always just a small piece of your treatment, whether you have kids or not, they're not a dual picture. Yeah. It's just it's a piece, your strategies, their social community support, like all kinds of Oh, coaching, counseling, all kinds of components. And I tried to dive into each one. So I was like, trying to like, prepare, because I knew being a parent was going to be the hardest job. Yeah, I would ever have. And you also can't quit.

Sarah
No, you can't. My mother in law reminds me if I ever complain about anything. She says, you know, you can't take them back.

Exactly.

Yeah, so I'm getting treatment getting like, I'm like, what's the word I'm looking for? It's not holistic. It's but but it's more like like complete. Well, rounded guess holistic.

Sarah
To me, that's holistic, because you're not just looking at medicine. You're looking at everything. Yes. Yes,

Taucha
yeah. Yeah. So it was kind of like I started medication thinking like this will be the stepping stone in the little boost to help me learn all the stuff I'm gonna have to learn.

Yes.

And knowing that at some point like it will be temporary and I have I'm in control of it. I choose when to take it. I choose when not to take it and I will have periods of My life where I won't get to have it. And that's when I'll rely more heavily on the other stuff I need to learn. So,

Sarah
wow, can I just interrupt you that? Yeah, that's a healthy, proactive approach you have there. Okay. I just wanted to stop and just, you know, just celebrate that because I know. And my case, and I know a lot of other people's cases, it was like, what's right in front of them, like, I was introduced to the medicine first. And then I learned later, Oh, I can't have this. If I'm going to be pregnant, or I, you know, I chose that. But my point being the fact that you're already thinking this way, that's going to help you so much when you get to perimenopause, and menopause and postpartum Even so, yeah, stop and just, you know, highlight that that's such a wonderful way of looking at it.

Yeah, so I mean, that doesn't mean that I wasn't scared about not taking the money,

Sarah
right. It's scary.

It was scary. Because like they were the first time so I you know, like with medications, like you don't always find the right ones on the first try.

Sarah
It's hard work.

Yeah. And sometimes, you know, some people don't find good ones at all. Some people want them and can't find them. And you know what, the side effects are too irritating or whatever. And I feel really sad for those people that really want them and just can't find the fit. I was very fortunate in that. I did find a fit. Eventually. I had one one type of medication that was like kind of mediocre, mediocre for me. I was like, Yeah, I the only real thing I noticed is that I didn't seem to have that emotional reactivity that I used to have. Like it was like it got it let me like if something super irritating happened, where I would have flown off the handle like it gave me that pause. Yeah, like, see that. But that was like the real only difference. Like some people when I heard them on their meds, they're like, wow, it's like a to do list pops into my head. And I know exactly what it is that I know. Well, I kinda I kind of got there like the ones after. Yeah. So the ones the first ones were that like that. Yeah, I tried. Like, I heard other people's descriptions because I was going. When I was doing medication trials, it was in like a group app. That's how this pilot clinic was doing it. Every Wednesday morning, kind of everybody who tried something new, would like sit and talk about their thing. So I was hearing their stories like you're having.

Sarah
She's having just like When Harry Met Sally. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Is that

Yeah. Well, I

mean, it's different for every person. No, I

don't mean literally. But yeah, but

I want that kind of Aha, like this is working. Yeah. Is it? Is it not? I might just more self aware now because I'm looking. I don't know. So right. Oh, my hot but because that takes steps to decide to change and make an appointment. I put it off for forever. And my husband who's like, so neuro typical, I call him super typical. So is

my husband. Oh,

my gosh, we have to blast.

Sarah
Less than but I think we make their lives more interesting. If I could just you know, I'm a little

guy. And I say, I agree. And my husband would agree. I'm like, interesting. He's like, do you ever hon.

Sarah
Yeah. And then they just smile.

Yeah, yeah.

But he was the one who's like you can like you are your medications can do better for you. You should make an appointment. So I finally did this for him. Yeah, we just squeaked it in again, right before the move. Good. And so I tried these new medications. And, you know, I told you I was always like, so behind on on my clinical notes, and all this kind of stuff. And every time like sometimes I would like book an actual, like office day to just write office notes, or like session notes, but I'd still only get like two done. Even though I have like, I don't know, like I get I could only get two done. So I took these medications. And I'm like, I need to catch up on session notes. Before I move. I wrote 16 notes that Oh, holy crap. Yeah. I have never in the seven years I work there have written more than like, three, three was a good day. I wrote 16

Sarah
I have a few ADHD friends, I'm going to tell that to you are not alone. I know. I know, a couple of other clinicians with ADHD and it's like, it's exactly what you're saying with the paperwork. And the the admin is just like, killer. And so even after you're diagnosed, it could still be a pain so I'm going to tell them maybe you need your meds tweaked or something?

Yeah. Oh,

Sarah
man. That was like, to me that compared to usually like squeezing out like a call. Yes.

Yeah. Oh my gosh, it was just amazing. I couldn't believe it. Like I felt like superhuman. It was awesome. Um, and so So anyway, so I had that I had that experience with my meds like they really helped me and the other thing that they really made a huge difference with was just my alertness in the morning because I think I know like ADHD years, a lot of us were more prone to sleep disorders like yeah, apnea, and then The circadian rhythm disorders and stuff like that. And I'm convinced I have a circadian rhythm disorder because I don't get tired until like, two in the morning. Yeah, I have to like force myself to go to bed and then just lay there thinking forever because I just want to try to align my life with the rest of the world, right but my brain doesn't turn on until like noon. So my medications really helped me with that because I would take my like, I would set an alarm for like seven or 630, take my medication, go back to sleep until seven. And then they would just wake me up. And then I was just like to start my day. It was like magic.

Perfect. Great.

Sarah
Yeah.

So that's been the biggest change now that I'm no longer on them when I

Sarah
see your sleep is back to be just like, not sleeping when you want. Hey, it's good practice because when your baby gets here, they're not going to know night from day for a very long time. I know. I remember that phase. We're training them what daytime and nighttime was, yeah, yeah, putting up opening up your window. So they know this is daytime. Yeah,

but you know what, with my luck, I'm gonna have a kid that was just like me because, like, I still don't know what daytime and nighttime is. Like, I still feel like I have that problem. And I was like the kid. I like I'd never napped as a kid I hated napping. I would like sneak around the house. I could never fall asleep. And that nighttime, I was always really scared to go to bed because what would happen is I go to bed, the rest of the house would fall asleep. I just be in my room in the dark. All alone, wide awake. It was scary because I was just I wasn't allowed to wander around. I couldn't turn lights on or get in trouble. So um, I was it was scary and I'm probably just gonna have a kid just like that.

Sarah
You know what, I don't know if you've read Sarah Sultan's latest book, the work the workbook about radical self acceptance. Yes,

I have it. I'm working on it right now.

Sarah
Okay, so I was looking through it the other day. And there is a good partner that will probably help you with that. But it's like instead of trying to fit into this shoe, reengineering your life so that you don't have to be like that, which it sounds like you've kind of done with your yoga practice.

Yes, I totally did, actually. Because so like, so yeah, leading up to like having to not take my meds. Like I said, I was apprehensive. I'm scared because they had been very effective. But I also had, because I had like, done coaching and counseling and like, you started to learn how to use a planner because like, that's a skill, you have to develop. Like, you can't just use a planner and expect it to fix you. You have to work at it. It takes work, it takes work. Um, so I felt better equipped when I like I'm like, I've never been this prepared to be off my meds now then. And like, I've I'm okay. Yeah, I'll make it. Um, but one of the things I definitely did have to do, because like the sleep was a real thing. Like I, I had one yoga class and my schedule that it was at 1030 in the morning, which is not early. But in the morning, I like I wake up, I shower, I eat, I plan that class, I have to rearrange my entire apartment so that I can set up all my equipment and all that kind of stuff. So like it was a lot to do when your brain doesn't wake up until noon. Yeah. So I actually after I stopped taking my medications, I had to change that class. Like I there were too many mornings where I was trying to teach that 1030 class where right before I turned on that camera, I had been crying because I was like, This is so hard, right? I feel so groggy. I'm still yawning my butt off. I I don't know how great this class is going to be. And I just had to like, like Siri folding said, like, I just had to kind of like accept this is where I'm at. Yeah, and I just had to change my schedule. Like I'm like, I work late. Like I don't need to feel shame about having a different work schedule than other people because I work later than most people. Yeah. And I work on weekends a lot. So I'm like, what's this guilt about? Cut it out? Like this is just like a social expectation. I felt like I had to fill out like a real grown up gets up at seven a real grown up has breakfast at eight. You know, like that. Those are all the stories I had in my head.

Sarah
Yeah. And isn't it industrialism really that told us that? We need to

get up at seven and go to? Um, yeah, like Henry Ford in the assembly line or

Sarah
work in a steel mill. Why do you need to go? Yeah.

But I had so much drama about that. And actually, that book, that workbook, it's helped me identify that I had shame about that, like that shame, particularly around sleeping. And when I go to bed and when I wake up that shame was so deep. I didn't even know it was there. Because there was like, yeah Like I have there was like a to do list in the workbook that's like, you know, list all the things that you're trying ways you're trying to fit in that you don't quite and like, I didn't even put that one on there it like hit me like a ton of bricks like later on when I was like trying to win I think when I was probably preparing for a yoga class in the morning beating myself up and then yeah, Chapter popped into my head like, Oh, Oh, I see. I'm trying to fit a mold. I don't fit in. Exactly.

Sarah
Yeah. And I think I think motherhood and I think surviving the pandemic is gonna, you know,

no, yeah, for me, it's

Sarah
taught me both. Like, I mean, I have a four year old and she she's a lot like you where we may tell her it's bedtime, but it's not bedtime to her. Yeah. Like, what are you supposed to do? And, and so I tell her, Hey, you know, here's a little trick I'm going to share with you, you know, you don't have to go to sleep. You can just lay quietly and play with your dolls. And just I had a psychiatrist Tell me when my child was a toddler. Like really little toddler. I said, I can't get her to nap. She won't nap. I know. She's gonna get burned out. And she needs Ross because Greg Growing Pains brains need rest. She's just sitting in a quiet dark room and hang out for an hour. And she'll be fine. You know?

My Yeah, the doctor told my mom pretty much the same thing. She was going to the doctor been like, she won't nap. She won't nap. I don't know what to do better. She won't nap and the doctors like as long as she's quiet and resting. She's resting. She's so that's how you ask? Yeah, I think you're gonna like that's the thing I'm going to probably have to tell my kids to like, you don't have to sleep. But here's, you know, here's the books. And here's this just just have some quiet time to yourself. Because, yeah, because being in the dark, trying to sleep is really frustrating. And scary as a kid.

Sarah
Yeah, I hear her all the time just talking to herself. And she's a lot like you like she's very sensitive to noises and so she hears things that no one else does. And it'll keep her up. And it's like, I don't hear what you're hearing. It sounds like she's hearing electricity that I don't hear.

Oh, I could hear like TV's turned on and stuff like that. Like, like, just like, you know, not like just the static. I could hear the static even if nothing is like on the screen. I could feel it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I know. I feel like I get your kid.

Sarah
I feel like you two are really synched up like and I I've tried really hard. This is a tangent. I've tried really hard not to see ADHD everywhere. And I'm trying to let her just live her life. And then if other people notice it and you know, be sensitive to it in case she does have it. But I mean, I'm pretty sure she has it. My observation, and I know it's highly inherited from the mother. Yeah, but it's really hard because you got the pandemic stress. And then you got age appropriate. And I mean, she's four, like,

when Yeah, four year old,

Sarah
total tangent there. But I wanted to get back to you. Going off your meds you were really scared at first. And then yes. So what are some tools you've been using? We talked about the holistic stuff like besides pills, what of what has been working for you? What

has been working? Really, like? A big one is really been my mindset around it. So I like I said, like, just actually like taking a step back and be like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, why do I actually have to get up at seven? Yeah, Says who? You, you don't need to do that. And you can get a full day's work in if you just work later, when your brain is actually more functional. So kind of just adapting my work day, and not making that mean anything just being like this is just when my brain works. So I just work when my brain works. That just makes sense. Yes. Yeah. So um, I also Hi, um, like leading up to this like, last January, I started focused with Kristen Carter. So I have a coach. And then with that comes like, yeah, so coaching has been so helpful. And also with it comes like a community because it's like a membership where with all kinds of people so like, just having like that support and having a bunch of people who also just know what it's like to be an ADHD or what it's like to be a mom what it's like to be pregnant, all of that, like because they're all stages of life. They're so just having like that moral support has been a big help. And also knowing like, I can get coaching if something comes up that I feel like I can't get a handle on, right? That makes such a difference. Like just knowing just having like that confidence. It felt like I had like, I'm like a safety net. Like, I'm not really doing this alone, right. Um, so that was really good. Um, and then I had a planner that like was discontinued In December and I like worked with like a local stationery company and they made one for me and I just got it. I know so I know I can't believe she got like a bag to say it even just like it still makes me so happy but I just I know she made she made me the planner similar to the one I had been using cuz I could not find anything similar at all. So I just having a planner again, has been a big difference. I've been like planner free since December. So I just got it last week and it's already like made such a difference to Yeah, to like, see what I need to do. I was using like to do lists and other things but like, like I had like this weekly planner thing but at last year's need like time like this is just like columns you see that has doesn't have time. Yeah. For you people on the podcast, I am holding up a weekly pad of paper with seven days on it but they're just columns without actually like time slots. So it's I mean, that's pretty much how the Add ADHD brain is like ups Wednesday. I don't know what time it is like that's no help.

Sarah
Time is relative idea. Um, Google calendar for my time blocking like, yeah, events, but I tell you, I was gonna I was gonna post this on Twitter the other day, like, I aside from you, I just don't know people who consistently use planners, and they work for them. But it sounds like for you, you needed to create what worked for you like your own custom solution, because we're also different.

Yeah, well, it's like, what happened? In my last year of university, my very, very dear friend of mine, my last year of my master's, she taught me about like the Pomodoro Technique.

Sarah
Yes, I love the Pomodoro.

Yes, it's so helpful. And then I just happened like years later to find a planner that actually had like the Pomodoro Technique built into it. And then when that one was discontinued, that I couldn't find a replacement. So I just asked like if this company would make one and so they're like, that's a great idea. We were planning on making one anyway, let's do this together. And I was like, Okay.

Sarah
Do you sell them? Or do they are? Yeah, they

totally do. They just launched them? I mean, they come out a bit on the 12th. I didn't mean to make this a plug. Oh, my gosh, okay. Yeah, I'm actually like the ambassador for her for her. You up and get my bio, get 15% off, use the coupon code 80.

Sarah
Totally share all that stuff. And I was gonna give you a promo section at the end anyway, so please, promo Herve Yeah. I hate to cut this short, but I have to pick up my daughter. Oh, no. Okay. Otherwise, we could talk forever, and I really want I want to keep talking. I was gonna just text her grandma. She's at her grandma's right now. I'm going to cut this part out, Helen. Let me just let them know, because my sister's coming in, and I'm picking up my daughter. And then we can do some sort of more organic clothes out. But I just, I hate I hate to stop this short because this has been such a wonderful interview. I mean, I don't want to abruptly just be like, I got a bounce.

I'm

always scared at the end of like an interview that I was like to rambling like didn't even answer their question, or did I just started different story.

Sarah
Oh, like we are your people.

Good to you.

Sarah
Um, you know, that's one of my things is like, I'm not worried about rambling. And like people who apologize. I say no, we don't we don't apologize on here. Um, then I have two screens. That's why I'm I look up

from my husband's a complete web developer. So

he's go he gets in?

Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Sarah
Yay, no brush. My sister just got her first injection and she's sick. I have to sit here. 15 minutes.

Yay. My sister has both of hers. She's an occupational therapist, and she's been working through all this. So she said the last one wiped her out for like a week.

Sarah
You know what I took the Pfizer and the second one wipe me out.

No. Yeah, yeah. So my sister said she said the first one to her arm was like really sore for a few days. But the second one, she was like, kind of flowy like, very lethargic and tired and just just kind of useless for a week. Yeah, I've

Sarah
heard a few people say that. Mm hmm. Okay. Okay. They have been updated. I could relax. I was trying so hard not to be rude. I'm like, I need to update

That's good. So yeah,

Sarah
let's get back into the interview. We're going to jump back in Heather. Well, yeah. So thank you for sharing with us all these things that have been working for you. While you're TTC, as they say, trying to conceive.

They actually had to Google that when you email me I'm like, Well,

I'm like what?

Sarah
There's a whole world out there of message boards of just TTC of cuz I remember when I was trying to conceive I wanted to read everything I could, you know, yeah. Especially like you said, cuz you're so nervous about going off meds and everything. But yeah, so I definitely, um, you guys, after this interview, I'm going to put in the show notes, the link to this planner, for those of you who like pomodoro and can check it out. And then Tasha also has yoga studio, you want to tell us where they can find your yoga studio?

Yeah, sure. Um, so you can find my yoga, it's an online yoga studio. So you can find it at ADHD yoga.ca or ADHD yoga.com, both of them will get you to the same place. I have an online membership. So I teach for live classes, at least four live classes a week, I do an extra two a month, usually, for a special occasion went on like this. This week, I'm doing a new moon flow for the new moon. And it's going to be yoga and journaling. Yeah, and then I usually do one a brunch flow the last Saturday of the month. So and then I also have a library that contains all of my recorded classes plus poser tutorials if you're new to yoga, so you can break them down in a little bit more detail, as well as like shorter sequences for things like digestion and sore hips and things like that. Yeah, so that's my membership. I also have dropping classes. And then you can also follow me on Instagram, find me there at ADHD dot yoga, and you should join my email list. And then you can stay up to date on my yoga classes and things like that.

Sarah
I would love to do that. Because I love the fact that you're your yoga, but you're also ADHD. So it's like you get it, you know? Yeah, I feel like it would be really helpful.

Yeah, and I do a theme. Like I purposely themed my classes around like ADHD things like I tried to stay as traditional out to like, as true to the traditional yoga teachings as I can. The thing that's very interesting about yoga, I'm gonna try not to go on to such,

Sarah
okay, yeah.

Um, but the thing that's really interesting about yoga is that we in like, here in the Western world have this conception that Yoga is just about the physical, like poses. But Yoga is actually a whole lifestyle practice. And it's, so it includes mindfulness and like ways to behave with other people and ways to behave with yourself and turning your senses in towards your body and breathing techniques. And all of this stuff as I was doing research on ADHD, were things that they said were beneficial to ADHD that just also happened to be in all of my yoga training. Awesome. Yeah, it's so cool. So I so I tried to incorporate like traditional yoga teachings, but also related to ADHD themes and ADHD struggles. So I it's, it's very ADHD focused. And yeah, so I like to theme my classes on that. And then you can embody and feel these teachings in your body throughout the sequences I put together.

Sarah
Awesome. I can't wait to check that out. And there are a few things we talked about today that are actually being discussed at the ADHD women's Palooza. Have you heard of that?

Yeah, I'm signed up for it. I keep getting the newsletter. I'm like, Oh, yes.

Sarah
And enough for that. So I wanted, I figured a lot of us. Alright, a lot of people listening are probably signed up for that. But three things we talked about that you might want to check the Palooza about. We talked about medication. And we talked about the lack of research out there and why why doctors can't feel confident either way when it comes to prescribing medication. So there was a lecture yesterday about medication, so that would be a good one if anybody wants to catch it. And then today, I think dusty chipra is going to be talking about ADHD and pregnancy. So that would be something interesting. And then Terry Matlin actually is going to be talking about how to use a planner. So that's the one I need to go check out. Yeah, I don't, it just doesn't stick and I just want to go like maybe I'm just not meant to. But if she's got a lecture on it, then maybe it's possible. Or she would just say, let it go. Because you know, she she's been around a while, so she would know. But it sounds like there's just a way to learn. But anyway, I'll put all the links to all the things in the show notes and Tasha, thank you so much. It was wonderful to meet you. And if you ever want to come back on the show, I would love to follow you through your journey as you think progress and everything and hear about how it's going. And yeah, yeah. Let's stay in touch. All right. Sounds good. Thank you so much. Take care. Bye.

Bye bye.

Oh, that was so awesome. Thank you. So

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